Had this inquiry the other day.
Comment
Hi,
I have a mid-eighties Concorde Colombo. It a 61cm frame. Complete Campagnolo Aero group with Cinelli bars and post. Black and white frame. Excellent condition with a few minor scratches. All original except for saddle. Any chance you could give me an idea of what I should be asking for it? I know a picture would help but how about a ballpark range.
Thanks,
Mike
Why I would spend time trying to value someone else's bike when I am trying to sell my own, I don't know. especially when this person didn't even bother to include pictures. But the challenge of the exercise got to me.
I went back and asked for more information, which eventually came trickling in:
what's the columbus sticker say? Columbus Aelle tubing
what model of campagnolo? Campy Athena 1st generation Group
what are the hubs and rims? Campy hubsWolber GTX2 rims
Peter
and then More:
the wolbers are clinchers or tubulars? Clinchers
shifters are ergo or downtube? downtube
what is stamped on the dropouts? Gipieme dropouts
what is distinctive on the frame? is there a tricolour patch on the toptube? No tricolour patch but the lugs have hearts cut into them that are painted.
At first I was annoyed that he hadn't even bothered to provide pictures. But after thinking about it, I realized that pictures are irrelevant (unless one were assessing condition or paint scheme). A bike can be well described and assessed just in words.
I finally asked Mike what value he had in mind: He was thinking around $1,000
My final assessment was the following:
Mike,
If you are super patient, you might find a taker at $1000. Might.
but realistically, I think you are being optimistic.
see my Pros and Cons sheet (see below)
But for a simpler reality check, compare your bike to the Tommasini I've had for sale for several years now at $1200 (but which I might raise back to $1400 for the Spring season)
The Tommasini has several advantages: Columbus SL tubing (recognized as Top End), matching forks, 8 Speed Athena Ergo (click) drivetrain (which bumps it immediately into the not-just-collectors-and-vintage-wingnuts market), triple crank (which makes it a Climber) and is a Top 10 or Top 20 brand from Italy, which would be mentioned in the same breath as Colnago, Pinarello, Rossin, De Rosa etc.
I think realistically it will move in the $500-700 range. The frame would make a decent fixie/Single Speed.
you'd probably make more parting it out. but that's a pain.
Good Luck.
Peter
PROS AND CONS
Brand/Model (Concorde “Colombo”)
PRO: Concorde is a known but not top level Dutch brand. (maybe kind of the Miele of the Netherlands)
CON: They appear to have not actually made their own bikeks but rather rebranded other production bikes
From Classic Rendezvous: “A brand from the Netherlands who used many suppliers.
Among the most appealing were those made
by Giovanni Pelizzoli (the original Ciocc, Italy)”
Tubing Columbus Aelle
PRO: Not their best but It's still Columbus!
CONS: Lower end. appears to be straight gauge (so not Butted - thicker at the ends, thinner in the middle) but perfectly adequate. Full frame set would weigh 2345g versus an SL set 1925g
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/columbus/columbuschart.htm
Uncertain whether it is Tre-Tubi (main triangle only) or Frame and Forks. Is there a columbus sticker on the fork blades? Does it say Tre-Tubi on the seat tube sticker.
Drive train and shifters
PRO: Campagnolo. The Best Stuff. Athena. Up there
CONS: But downtube shifters are really not very prized these days.
Dropouts
PRO: Gipiemme. Not bad, but 2nd rate
CON: Would be Campagnolo or Columbus on a top tier frame.
Wheels
PRO: Campy hubs. Good. Clincher Rims (practical = good)
Bars and Stem
PRO: Cinelli! The Best/ excellent
Comment
Hi,
I have a mid-eighties Concorde Colombo. It a 61cm frame. Complete Campagnolo Aero group with Cinelli bars and post. Black and white frame. Excellent condition with a few minor scratches. All original except for saddle. Any chance you could give me an idea of what I should be asking for it? I know a picture would help but how about a ballpark range.
Thanks,
Mike
Why I would spend time trying to value someone else's bike when I am trying to sell my own, I don't know. especially when this person didn't even bother to include pictures. But the challenge of the exercise got to me.
I went back and asked for more information, which eventually came trickling in:
what's the columbus sticker say? Columbus Aelle tubing
what model of campagnolo? Campy Athena 1st generation Group
what are the hubs and rims? Campy hubsWolber GTX2 rims
Peter
and then More:
the wolbers are clinchers or tubulars? Clinchers
shifters are ergo or downtube? downtube
what is stamped on the dropouts? Gipieme dropouts
what is distinctive on the frame? is there a tricolour patch on the toptube? No tricolour patch but the lugs have hearts cut into them that are painted.
At first I was annoyed that he hadn't even bothered to provide pictures. But after thinking about it, I realized that pictures are irrelevant (unless one were assessing condition or paint scheme). A bike can be well described and assessed just in words.
I finally asked Mike what value he had in mind: He was thinking around $1,000
My final assessment was the following:
Mike,
If you are super patient, you might find a taker at $1000. Might.
but realistically, I think you are being optimistic.
see my Pros and Cons sheet (see below)
But for a simpler reality check, compare your bike to the Tommasini I've had for sale for several years now at $1200 (but which I might raise back to $1400 for the Spring season)
The Tommasini has several advantages: Columbus SL tubing (recognized as Top End), matching forks, 8 Speed Athena Ergo (click) drivetrain (which bumps it immediately into the not-just-collectors-and-vintage-wingnuts market), triple crank (which makes it a Climber) and is a Top 10 or Top 20 brand from Italy, which would be mentioned in the same breath as Colnago, Pinarello, Rossin, De Rosa etc.
I think realistically it will move in the $500-700 range. The frame would make a decent fixie/Single Speed.
you'd probably make more parting it out. but that's a pain.
Good Luck.
Peter
PROS AND CONS
Brand/Model (Concorde “Colombo”)
PRO: Concorde is a known but not top level Dutch brand. (maybe kind of the Miele of the Netherlands)
CON: They appear to have not actually made their own bikeks but rather rebranded other production bikes
From Classic Rendezvous: “A brand from the Netherlands who used many suppliers.
Among the most appealing were those made
by Giovanni Pelizzoli (the original Ciocc, Italy)”
Tubing Columbus Aelle
PRO: Not their best but It's still Columbus!
CONS: Lower end. appears to be straight gauge (so not Butted - thicker at the ends, thinner in the middle) but perfectly adequate. Full frame set would weigh 2345g versus an SL set 1925g
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/columbus/columbuschart.htm
Uncertain whether it is Tre-Tubi (main triangle only) or Frame and Forks. Is there a columbus sticker on the fork blades? Does it say Tre-Tubi on the seat tube sticker.
Drive train and shifters
PRO: Campagnolo. The Best Stuff. Athena. Up there
CONS: But downtube shifters are really not very prized these days.
Dropouts
PRO: Gipiemme. Not bad, but 2nd rate
CON: Would be Campagnolo or Columbus on a top tier frame.
Wheels
PRO: Campy hubs. Good. Clincher Rims (practical = good)
Bars and Stem
PRO: Cinelli! The Best/ excellent
| concorde_colombo_pros_and_cons.pdf |
RSS Feed
