TOCycles
  • Home
  • You, Us, etc.
    • About You
    • About Us
    • FAQs
    • Why Buy From TOCycles
  • Choosing a Bike
    • What Frame Size?
    • Materials - Carbon, Aluminum, Steel?
    • Tips for buying a 2nd hand Bike
    • In Praise of 8 Speed Systems
    • Good Readings (on bike fit, pain avoidance, etc.)
    • Bike Shop Cheap Tricks
  • For Sale (Bikes, Frames and Parts)
    • Contemporary Bikes FS
    • Vintage & Classics FS
    • Non-Road & Oddballs FS
    • Travel & Folding bikes FS
    • Framesets
    • Parts >
      • Bottom Brackets
      • Brifters
      • Cassettes
      • Calipers
      • Brake Levers
      • Cranksets
      • Front Derailleurs
      • Rear Derailleurs
      • headsets
    • Wheels
  • Photo Galleries
    • My collection
    • Bikes I've handled
  • Contact
  • Blog: A Road Bike Apprenticeship
  • Penn on Frame Geometry
  • Penn on "Why Steel (and not carbon)?

What's my Concorde Colombo worth?

4/9/2015

1 Comment

 
Had this inquiry the other day.

Comment
Hi,
I have a mid-eighties Concorde Colombo. It a 61cm frame. Complete Campagnolo Aero group with Cinelli bars and post. Black and white frame. Excellent condition with a few minor scratches. All original except for saddle. Any chance you could give me an idea of what I should be asking for it? I know a picture would help but how about a ballpark range.
Thanks,
Mike


Why I would spend time trying to value someone else's bike when I am trying to sell my own, I don't know. especially when this person didn't even bother to include pictures. But the challenge of the exercise got to me.
I went back and asked for more information, which eventually came trickling in:

what's the columbus sticker say? Columbus Aelle tubing
what model of campagnolo? Campy Athena 1st generation Group
what are the hubs and rims? Campy hubsWolber GTX2 rims
Peter

and then More:
the wolbers are clinchers or tubulars? Clinchers
shifters are ergo or downtube? downtube
what is stamped on the dropouts? Gipieme dropouts
what is distinctive on the frame?  is there a tricolour patch on the toptube? No tricolour patch but the lugs have hearts cut into them that are painted.

At first I was annoyed that he hadn't even bothered to provide pictures. But after thinking about it, I realized that pictures are irrelevant (unless one were assessing condition or paint scheme). A bike can be well described and assessed just in words.

I finally asked Mike what value he had in mind: He was thinking around $1,000

My final assessment was the following:

Mike,
If you are super patient, you might find a taker at $1000. Might.
but realistically, I think you are being optimistic.

see my Pros and Cons sheet (see below)

But for a simpler reality check, compare your bike to the Tommasini I've had for sale for several years now at $1200 (but which I might raise back to $1400 for the Spring season)

The Tommasini has several advantages: Columbus SL tubing (recognized as Top End), matching forks, 8 Speed Athena Ergo (click) drivetrain (which bumps it immediately into the not-just-collectors-and-vintage-wingnuts market), triple crank (which makes it a Climber) and is a Top 10 or Top 20 brand from Italy, which would be mentioned in the same breath as Colnago, Pinarello, Rossin, De Rosa etc.

I think realistically it will move in the $500-700 range. The frame would make a decent fixie/Single Speed.

you'd probably make more parting it out. but that's a pain.
Good Luck.
Peter


PROS AND CONS

Brand/Model (Concorde “Colombo”)
PRO: Concorde is a known but not top level Dutch brand.  (maybe kind of the Miele of the Netherlands)
CON: They appear to have not actually made their own bikeks but rather rebranded other production bikes
From Classic Rendezvous: “A brand from the Netherlands who used many suppliers.
Among the most appealing were those made
by Giovanni Pelizzoli (the original Ciocc, Italy)
”

Tubing Columbus Aelle
PRO: Not their best but It's still Columbus!
CONS: Lower end. appears to be straight gauge (so not Butted - thicker at the ends, thinner in the middle) but perfectly adequate. Full frame set would weigh 2345g versus an SL set 1925g
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/columbus/columbuschart.htm
Uncertain whether it is Tre-Tubi (main triangle only) or Frame and Forks. Is there a columbus sticker on the fork blades? Does it say Tre-Tubi on the seat tube sticker.

Drive train and shifters
PRO: Campagnolo. The Best Stuff. Athena. Up there
CONS: But downtube shifters are really not very prized these days.

Dropouts
PRO: Gipiemme. Not bad, but 2nd rate
CON: Would be Campagnolo or Columbus on a top tier frame.

Wheels
PRO: Campy hubs. Good. Clincher Rims (practical = good)

Bars and Stem
PRO: Cinelli! The Best/ excellent

concorde_colombo_pros_and_cons.pdf
File Size: 34 kb
File Type: pdf
Download File

1 Comment

    Author

    Peter Stock, bike tour designer, cyclist and amateur road bike collector/dealer. Learning as he goes.

    Archives

    April 2015
    March 2015
    February 2015
    December 2014
    October 2014
    May 2014
    April 2014
    March 2014
    October 2013
    May 2013
    January 2013
    May 2011
    March 2011

    Categories

    All
    Bicycles
    Campagnolo
    Peugeot
    Vintage Road Bicycles

    RSS Feed

Powered by Create your own unique website with customizable templates.